| Next Meeting: Tuesday, 23rd of October 7 PM (4th Tuesdays) Denny’s,205 Nugget Ave.(at East McCarran), Sparks October 23 Happy Birthday Nevada Rusty King October 27 Nevada Day at the Museum (Sat) November 27 Deal or No Deal with a prize for every number & nominations for office November 30 New Coins at the Museum December 25. No meeting, no museum January 25 Dinner, elections, & The Carson Mint by Ken Hopple The Last Meeting About 30 members got to see old photos of Northern NV collected by Stan Paher. Yes, I left out the “a” previously. He sold several books, but has more. Great time in Europe. Got to see both major Roman coin collections, but missed the Numismatic Museum in Athens. You cannot see Athens in a day. We are looking for a minter for the new club coin with Eva Adams. No free moon landing die, so we will likely have the state seal on the reverse, since making two dies is cost prohibitive. I got hold of Medalcraft that ended up with a lot of the Northwest Territory Mint (formerly in Dayton) dies, but they insist they have no moon related die and making two dies puts the cost of the coins over $8,000. All the old medals were sold to large crowd at the museum on 9-27. The museum coin press was making Pony Express coins when Laurel and I were there in September, her last trip to the museum. Thanks for all the hard work, Laurel! She is the new sponsor of the mystery box. Trish has rearranged her babysitting schedule to go with me from now on. Last 2018 .25 out November 13th, a heron from Rhode Island. I will make up some S .25 sets for 2018. Two islands and 3 birds, a nice set and stocking stuffer. Bring up to 5 coins for the bid board now. We have board meetings before the meeting and ask for quiet so we can conduct business. Contact me: 815-8625 datbbelliotts@prodigy.net if any problems or ideas Early Bird Prize: 1 gram silver bar won by Mary Long. Raffle prizes winners were: Dan Waterman: 1978 proof set, 2002 proof set Milton Angel:1 gram silver, Georgia Mint book,1875 Barber .25 Bart Daniel: mystery box NV token, PDS .25 set Jerry Breedlove:1977 unc set Joe Wozniak: 1980 proof set, 2013S .25 set Jeff Allen: Mercury .10 Faye Allen Indian head .01 Mary Long: NA $1 set, full date buffalo .05 Ken Hopple: bag of game tokens Leo Rossow: album for Morgan dollars Phil Bushard: 1 gram silver bar David Elliott: mint bag Dave Loder: Barber .25 Thomas Charleton: type set album Auctions No auctions Quarter Pot Jerry Breedlove WON the quarter pot. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO DONATES TO THE RAFFLE! Upcoming Coin Shows October 20 Delta Coin Club Show, Eagle’s Hall, 1492 Bourbon St., Stockton Admit:FREE,Tables:40+, Ruben Smith III 209 982-5961 rubensmith@hotmail.com October 27-28 Fresno Coin Club Show, Las Palmas Maconic Center, 2992 E.Clinton Ave Admit:$2, Tables: 45, R,Clifton 559 738-8128 www.fresnocoinclub.com November 2,3 Sacramento Coin Show, Lion’s Gate Hotel, 3410 Westover St. Admit:$3,Tables:66, Peter McIntosh 916 317-9055 peter@mcintoshcoins.com www. sacramentocoinshow.com November 9,10 Sunnyvale Coin Show, Domain Hotel, 1085 E. El Camino Real Admit:$3,Tables:34, Bill Green 925 351-7605 info@norcalcoinshows.com www. norcalcoinshows.com November 16-18 Las Vegas Numismatic Society Coin Show, Palace Station Hotel, 2411 W.Sahara Ave., Admit:?, Tables:?, CK Shows 888 330-5188 info@ckshows.com www.ckshows.com RCC Officers David Elliott….......... President…........…815-8625 Rusty King..............Vice President......... 677-7057 Doug Larson............Past President..........843-0162 Gerald Breedlove........Treasurer..............425-2967 Andre Azzam ..............Secretary….........338-0707 Laurel Hoggan…..........Librarian..........…223-5096 Joe Wozniak.............…Director….......…853-4223 Ken Hopple ....…..........Director..............677-1544 Shannon Holmes...........Director..............827–4359 Paul Williams…..........ANA Rep..............720-5395 David Elliott...................Editor................815-8625 datbbelliotts@prodigy.net www.renocoinclub.org The Other Coin: Ancient Coins in Italy I missed the Numismatic Museum of Athens with its 300,000 Greek coins in Schliemann’s house going to the Parthenon and main Greek museum, so I’ll just have to go back. However, I had nine days in Rome and saw most everything as well as made a beeline to Naples museum, so can report on the best and largest Roman coin collections. I did not come across any coin stores, which were likely closed anyway along with all the laundromats in Rome. In August, everyone goes on vacation. Large Roman antiquity museums did usually offer a selection of Roman coin copies. A special export license is necessary to bring a Roman or any Italian coin over 200 years old and you are supposed to declare it at customs. In Rome, the main Roman coin collection is at the Massimo Museum across from Diocletian’s Baths, which also has a Papal coin collection and Italian coin collection developed from Vittorio Emanuele II’s collection, who united and created Italy in 1870. All three collections emphasized gold coins with some silver and few bronzes, except for the early Republican Roman coins, which were cast bronze coins. The Naples, Massimo and Capitoline museums all had exquisite collections of these huge coins, often referred to as paperweights or hockey pucks. The As with the two faced Janus and prow is 66-67 mm and 259-266 grams, more than half a pound and truly larger than a hockey puck. Just to rub it in all three museums had hoards of these coins, dozens in piles. This caused me to whine that they should share and give me on of these $6000 coins. I will have to content myself with my banged up sextans one-sixth of an As bought for $250, the most expensive coin in my collection. Both the collection at Massimo and Naples not only had every Republican cast bronze I had ever seen cataloged, but also many I had never seen. They were all arranged in denominations and in extra fine condition. Counterfeit coins, then were only truly meant to deceive as gold or silver coins, and began in the 7th century BC when gold could be separated from silver. The early electrum coins of naturally occurring nuggets were manufactured with an ever increasing amount of silver and became the famous white gold coins of the ancient world. Within a few decades of pure silver and gold coins, cast copper, lead or bronze was coated with silver or gold (called fouree) to pass as real coinage, hence the cuts into coins. The exception to this was the so-called limes, meaning border, denarius that was also made from cast bronze to pay troops when silver was not available. The coins were good in camp and could be exchanged for silver when the payroll showed up, Cities and army paymasters also counter stamped coins to tariff them as good in Greek and Roman times. Below a limes denarius of Septimus Severus, a counter stamped Seleucid coin by a city, and a counter marked denarius of Augustus with a legion’s mark. Any bronze coin copy was accepted for small change, copy, foreign, or ancient, so barbarous 2nd century bronzes and copies of Constantine coins (real and 2 copies below) were accepted as real, just as hard time tokens, Conder tokens, and Civil War tokens were accepted in the US for small change. The Republican denarius was represented, but no attempt was made for completion. Periods of Roman history had gold or silver coins for most emperors and some usurpers, but was also not complete. Of course it fun to see Roman gold that no one can afford, and they often showed interesting reverses, not just profiles and busts. They even had Republican gold some of the rarest of all Roman coins. The Massimo did have a complete collection by pope or ruler of Rome, although again either gold and silver, which meant the gold was often one of a handful of known coins. Representative coins from the twenty-something or more divisions of Italy were represented, often in gold and unified Italy was fairly complete up to WWII sometimes with dies of then circulating coins. No euros. The Massimo also had a good collection of hoards, an example of coins drawn up from a well, complete with stratification, many Roman forger molds, and a map of Roman trading routes from China to England as well as a modern frieze of he making of Roman coins you can see on line. Besides a great collection of Republican bronze cast coins, Naples also had collections of coins from the Greek colonies in southern Italy, usually silver, and hoards of coins found in Pompeii. One in particular had the daily take of a tavern, hundreds of bronze coins adding up to about $300 in daily money or what a worker would make in a week. There was also a hoard of small change that had coins from all over the world” Egypt, Spain, Asia Minor, and Italy underscoring that small change could be any “bit” of metal. It was true that if you’re interested in the art and remains of Pompeii and Vesuvius, all the good stuff is in Naples, collecting things since the mid 1700s with room after room of Roman paintings, and statues both marble and bronze. Numismatically yours, David Elliott Numismatic Potpourri The big news is the on and off new dollar coin program of famous inventions not sold anymore was to begin in November 2018, but had all the proposed designs rejected. I thought the George Washington signature on the first patent was a clever dodge, and it was kept with a lot of additions. There’s a new Liberty, which several commentators says needs stars or something, gears, a statement saying Washington signed the first patent, and a shield with eagle on union shield, plow, bushel, hammer and gear, which is the old patent office emblem (see online). No word on the four coins supposed to come out next year. The 5 quarter designs for 2019. The Lowell, MA has an early automated loom (should have saved that for the innovator thing) Marianna has a WWII memorial and Guam a WWII scene. Texas wanted an Alamo thing, but that commemorated shooting Mexicans and taking Texas away from Mexico, so its doing Spanish missions. Idaho has a nice River of No Return coin, although the proposed wolf staring at you is cooler. They are still deciding on the Native American dollar design. The theme is Native Americans in the space program with several shuttle, moon, and space walk images. Looks like everyone except us will have a space theme. The Liberty for the bullion gold and silver high relief coins is confirmed to be another cool eagle and an Indian or Hispanic or Asian Liberty. The ethnic identity of Liberty is not defined and is purposely ambiguous, I assume. After all, the anthropologists insists the Native Americans came from Asia, and settled across the Americas. We also have the moon landing commemorative coming out that I have mentioned before. Robert has a new treasure: a pattern coin by Governor Lovelace of NY (1668-1673) with a rebus of Cupid and Venus for Love and a feathery palm tree for lace. The first time New York appears on a coin, although with an added E, New Yorke. Hope he comes with it to the next meeting. Peter Bertram produced supplements to Confederate Numismatica for $25 www.ConfederateNumismatica.com An Emperor Norton 50 cent note sold for $12,600 in Kagin auction. Ask Doug Larson about it. He brought in an Emperor Norton collection some time ago. See someone in the club does know all. The first part of chemical analysis of early US coins has been completed for 1794 and 1795. If interested: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/554528 American Numismatic Society took possession of the 50,000 dies of Medallic Arts before 1998 with Medalcraft getting the rest, which explains why there is no moon die. More than 100,000 coins, as well as an assortment of other objects, have been found beneath the wooden floorboards of medieval churches in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark. Some 300 gold solidi from the late 5th century were discovered while tearing down a theater in Lake Como, Italy. Near mint state coins of Valentinian III (425-455 AD), Leo I (457-474 AD), and Libius Severus (461-465 AD) are being cleaned and conserved. Depending on the number of Libius Severus coins, a rare emperor worth ten times the other two emperors, the hoard is worth somewhere between a $500,000 or a million dollars. Monnaie de Paris continues honoring French artworks. This year and pays homage to Renoir’s The Ball of the Moulin de la Galette and Rodin’s sculpture The Kiss. Both are on a 37mm, 22.2 g .900 fine silver 10 euro and a 22 mm, 7.78 g .999 fine gold 50 euro. Mintages are 2,000 and 500, respectively. The online shop of Monnaie de Paris is at: www.monnaiedeparis.fr. As you can see sculpture is ideal to put on a coins, also sculpted as a relief, while a busy painting is not so amenable. Cheaper than buying the art though. For $156 you can get a 1.5 ounce WWI helmet shaped coin 52.35mm from Canada. There is also a cool shark with rhodium, a bear eating salmon and the Year of the Pig coins have started to come out. There are pigs also from Perth, but Taz and Bugs Bunny and Lola Bunny in 7- point Christmas stars and a convex death star, which does not copy well. Canadian and others are trying to replace the 70 point grading system with a 100 point. Stop them! Or, collect ancients with only 8 grades: poor, good, very good, about fine, fine, very fine, extra fine, as minted. About fine and very fine are regarded with suspicion so you just have poor: enough info to know type of coin, good: can tell whose coin it is and maybe reverse as well despite wear or damage, very good: wear or damage do not prevent knowing whose coin and what is on reverse, fine, can definitely tell what coin it is and there is a lot of lettering, extra fine: all devices and lettering are clear, as minted is self-explanatory. Paper Money of Scotland by Jonathan Callaway and Dave Murphy. Two volumes, hardcover, large octavo, 1,140 pages altogether and illustrations in color is likely to replace the 1975 James Douglas Scottish Banknotes of 272pp. Available from Pam West, P.O. Box 257, Sutton Surrey, SM3 9WW, England; email pam@britishnotes.co.uk. Cost is 50 pounds ($70) plus shipping. Federal Reserve is storing more than a billion dollars in $1 coins even though production is only for collectors since 2012 at about 13% of when they were being made for circulation, or about 40 million rather than 350 million. Of course, with the American Innovators series production will rise from a yearly Native American coin to 5 dollar coins The American Legions 100th anniversary medal designs have been approved. Sales of a $5 gold piece, a silver dollar and a clad half-dollar honoring The American Legion will raise up to $9.5 million. 2018 Silver Eagles sold out September 6, but are back now, and likely to meet or exceed 15 million sold this year due to lower and undervalued silver bullion prices. And just in case you are also salivating over the moon coins. I will place the winner of Oct. 12 here. The candidates are below. |
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| The 20 foot modern frieze shows die cutting, weighing the blanks, warming the blanks in an oven heated with bellows, striking the coin, polishing the coin or later using wine lees to bring the small amount of silver (3%) to the service to give a thin coating of silver to coins, (Juno Moneta's geese that warned Rome of invastion in the early Republic), bagging the coins with the paddle that was also used to toss coins to the crowds, distributing the coins in a cart, and Mercury, god of commerce with money bad and caduceus at end. |
| The 20 foot modern frieze shows die cutting, weighing the blanks, warming the blanks in an oven heated with bellows, striking the coin, polishing the coin or later using wine lees to bring the small amount of silver (3%) to the service to give a thin coating of silver to coins, (Juno Moneta's geese that warned Rome of invastion in the early Republic), bagging the coins with the paddle that was also used to toss coins to the crowds, distributing the coins in a cart, and Mercury, god of commerce with money bad and caduceus at end. |
| The 20 foot modern frieze shows die cutting, weighing the blanks, warming the blanks in an oven heated with bellows, striking the coin, polishing the coin or later using wine lees to bring the small amount of silver (3%) to the service to give a thin coating of silver to coins, (Juno Moneta's geese that warned Rome of invastion in the early Republic), bagging the coins with the paddle that was also used to toss coins to the crowds, distributing the coins in a cart, and Mercury, god of commerce with money bad and caduceus at end. |
| The much coveted Roman As above with Janus and prow. Early Roman Rude, lumps of bronze in scale and bars with images, whole and broken for change, and a hoard of Roman Ases. |
