Next Meeting:
Tuesday, 24th of November 7 PM (4th Tuesdays now)
Denny’s,205 Nugget Ave.(at East McCarran), Sparks

November 24 Happy Birthday NV! Rusty King

December 22
Minibourse! Bring coins to sell or trade

The Last Meeting
26 members shared a discussion of German coins with Doug Cummings, Ron Jahn, and Doug Larson. I’ll bring mine too, since I got them out and all neatly labeled. Got that virus from
going to grandkids’ Grandparents’ Day at their school. I’ll also bring the
Roman silver book and the Wells Fargo book. Johnson $1 and Delaware .25 will be at the November meeting.
Saratoga .25 is scheduled for release 11-30. ANA sent me a bunch more free subscriptions and memberships to the on-line Numismatist magazine, so I’ll have those with me as well. I
missed going to the museum for Nevada Day as well, so I have a box of
October Numismatists to share. Perth mint has gone through all the Star Trek captains and ships, but the coins are
about $100 each, too rich for my blood.
Comic Con November 20-22 at the Reno Convention Center, Adam West, Brent Spinner, and the voice of Goofy are the headliners. Lots of fun last
year.  The
coin press will not be up and running until January I hear. Commodity and bullion prices are down, but are we heading for Armageddon or just deflation? Time for a round table
from the gurus in club. What else is one your mind as we get the 2016 lecture schedule started?
Don’t forget to bring something for the Bid Board, now every month!

Early Bird Prize was 1939 $1 silver certificate won by Doug Larson.             .            Delaware .25, NA $1, Johnson $1 here.

Raffle prizes winners were:
Dan Trabke:1969 proof set
Ed Cranch: 1935 $1 silver certificate, 1971D unc. Ike
Jerry Breedlove: 1971 proof set
Ken Hopple: chocolate coins. .50
Faye Allen: steel penny set, N. American hunting medal
Duke Morin: copper round
Gary Dahlke: 2002 proof set
Milton Angel: foreign paper money
Leo Rossow: Brass RCC medal, coin book
Rose Moratti: copper round
Thomas Charleton: 50 Mexican pesos coin
Joe Wozniak: mystery box,.50 1983 au
Bart Daniels: brass token and coin book

Jerry Breedlove won a Halloween $1 for $10, donor not noted.
Joe Wozniak won 2007 boxed proof dollars for $24, donor not noted.

  Quarter Pot
Fred Holabird won the quarter pot.


Upcoming Coin Shows

November 21-22, Marin County Coin Show, Four Points Sheraton Hotel, 1010 Northgate Dr., San Rafael, Tables: 28, Admit: $5, Scott Griffin, 415 601-8661, www.

December 6, Sacramento Coin Show, Lions Gate Hotel, 3410 Westover St., Tables: 66, Admit: $2, Peter McIntosh, 916 317-9055,

December 11-13, LV Numismatic Society’s Coin Show, Palace Station Hotel, 2411 W. Sahara Ave., Tables: ?, Admit: ?, CKShows, 888 330-5188,

December 18-20, Coin, Currency, Stamp Show, Orleans Hotel, Tables: ?, Admit: ?, Israel Bick, 818 997-6496,

RCC Officers
David Elliott….......... President….......…815-8625
Rusty King..............Vice President......... 677-7057
Doug Larson............Past President..........843-0162
Gerald Breedlove........Treasurer..............425-2967
Andre Azzam ..............Secretary….........338-0707
Paul Williams…..........Director….......…720-5395
Joe Wozniak.............…Director…......…853-4223
Ken Hopple ....…..........Director..............677-1544
Shannon Holmes...........Director..............827–4359
Paul Williams…..........ANA Rep.............720-5395
David Elliott...................Editor................815-8625
The RCC Board meets the 4th Tuesday of the month at Denny’s at
6:30 PM. Everyone is invited to attend

The Other Coin: Holy Roman Emperors

I scored a couple of Holy Roman Empire (HRE) silver coins last month, leaving only about 6 to go for $13 and $20.The 1100 years of the HRE covers all of medieval Europe through WWI. The
HRE was an attempt by Charlemagne (800-814) to reconstitute the Western Roman Empire, but when his son, Louis the Pius died the empire was divided up amongst three of Charlemagne's
grandsons. West Francia, which would become the Kingdom of France, went to Charles the Bald, East Francia (which later evolved into the core of the Holy Roman Empire) went to Louis the
German, and Middle Francia (Italy) went to Lothair, who also inherited the title of Emperor of the Romans.

(gold solidus and two deniers of Charlemagne)

Coins of Charlemagne are pricey ($1000+), especially the portrait coins and beyond most budgets. His grandson Lothair can be found easily under $100 or in lesser grade under $50. After that
the small silver coins usually cost $20 or so. Charlemagne introduced the thin, nickle sized silver denier (from the Roman denarius, which elsewhere was named  penny, pennig, or pfennig) and
the gold solidus with a standard of 12 denier to the solidus and 20 solidus to the silver pound. Gold was scarce in Western Europe and silver became the standard coinage with halved and
quartered silver coins as small change. However, rulers of the various lands nominally under the realm of the HRE began to issue their own coins and denominations from the late middle ages
onwards, and the names and types of these coins are legion.
The HRE began with the conquest of much of Germany by the Frankish Emperor Charlemagne. His alliance with Pope Leo III resulted in the Pope Leo crowning him Emperor of the Romans in
800 AD. The HRE grew to nominally encompassed Germany, Switzerland, Austria, the Czech Republic, Belgium, the Netherlands and parts of Northern Italy, Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland
and France. It was  a largely Germanic political entity described by German historians as 'the First Reich'.
Otto I, King of Germany is considered the first true Holy Roman Emperor. Two years after ascending to the German throne, a rich vein of silver was discovered in Saxony in 938 AD. Otto used
this new found wealth to expand his empire with the support of  Pope John XII, who rewarded Otto by resurrecting the defunct title Emperor of the Romans and conferring it upon him in 962.
The Ottonian dynasty died out with Henry II in 1024, and Conrad II, of the Salian Dynasty was elected to the throne by the various princes of the Imperial states, establishing the principle of the
title of Emperor being conferred by election of 7 electors (three spiritual: the Archbishop of Mainz, the Archbishop of Trier, and the Archbishop of Cologne and four lay: the King of Bohemia, the
Count Palatine of the Rhine, the Duke of Saxony, and the Margrave of Brandenburg).

  (deniers of Otto I 962-973 and Otto III 983-1002AD)

The close relationship of Papacy and HRE fell apart when Emperor Henry IV (1050-1106) had his own appointed bishops excommunicate the Pope Gregory VII, who in turn, excommunicated
the Emperor. The excommunication was lifted in 1077 when Henry IV performed a humiliating penance standing barefoot in the snow for 3 days. This began the decentralization that would
eventually see the authority of the HRE become largely nominal beyond their own estates. After his son Henry V died in 1125, the electors gained control of the title Holy Roman Emperor and
granted it to the highest bidder in cash, land, or power until the rise of the Habsburgs in 1279.                                                            

 (deniers of Henry IV and Henry V)

The Habsburgs contended for the title with the Luxemburgs and Wittelsbachs until 1439. The apogee of Habsburg rule came in the reign of Charles V, who first ruled as Charles I, king of Spain.
His world-spanning realms included Spain, the Americas,  Netherlands, and much of Italy. He was elected HRE in 1519, largely as a result of massive bribery made possible by the staggering
wealth of silver and gold arriving from the Americas.


 (denier and ducat of Charles V 1516-1566)
New silver deposits were found in 16th century Tyrol lead to the proto silver dollar first called a thaler, daalder, or daler. The Maria Theresa thaler has continued to be struck since 1780, in the
name of the Holy Roman Empress Maria Theresa. This bullion is still used as in some parts of the world, particularly in Africa.


(thalers of Leo the Hogmouth 1640-1705 and Maria Theresa 1740-1780)

By the end of the 30 Years War (1618-1648), fought largely between the Catholic Holy Roman Emperors and their Protestant subjects and allies (including Catholic France), the German states
outside Austria had gained effective autonomy. The HRE had become a loose amalgam of some 300 entities. The Empire nevertheless struggled on until 1806, when Ferdinand II was forced to
abdicate as HRE following a treaty with Napoleon. Ferdinand II reinvented himself as Ferdinand I, Emperor of Austria and declined to resurrect the title of Holy Roman Emperor for himself. The
Habsburg Empire carried on as the Austrian and (from 1867) Austro-Hungarian Empire until the final collapse of the Habsburg Empire in 1918. After the loss of World War I, the Austro-
Hungarian Empire was broken up into its constituent nations of Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and the various Balkan states. The dream of a united Europe with a single universal Catholic
Church was lost without its Holy Roman Emperor.

Numismatically yours, David Elliott

Numismatic Potpourri
As of Nov. 11, the price of gold was at $1,086 with silver at $14.35. Since Oct. 12, gold is down 7% from $1,165 while silver has seen a 10% drop from $15.96. At their lowest points since
February of 2010 for gold and August of 2009 for silver.
All commodity prices are down, we seem to be heading to deflation or collapse. What do you think? Fake coins, notably a gold
krugerrand, are appearing in
fake NGC holders good enough to fool experts. Ursula Kampmann reports on the Coin Conference in Madrid Oct. 21-23 that there is increased demand for
coins. Higher denominations are usually bimetallic to make counterfeiting harder and lower denominations are mostly galvanized steel with copper, brass and other coatings.
55 mints are
producing $49 billion worth of coins annually, up from $42 billion
. 62 banknote printers make $170 billion. He’s done it again: Lost and Found Coin Hoards and Treasures: Illustrated
Stories of the Greatest American Troves and Their Discoveries
, by Q. David Bowers. The United States Mint announced that it will strike and issue coins to commemorate the 100th
anniversary of three iconic coin designs first issued in 1916
: the "Winged Liberty" dime, "Standing Liberty" quarter, and "Walking Liberty" half-dollar. All three coins will be manufactured
from .9999 fine, 24-karat gold.
The Coin of the Year category winners are: Austria for best silver (Berlin  Wall), bimetallic (silver and niobium, evolution) and most artistic (Klimt).



US won best gold coin and most innovative coins for gold and copper-nickel clad baseball coins:

Germany won best historical for the Fahrenheit’s thermometer, Latvia won best contemporary for the Baltic Union, Canada for best crown sized coin looking up a maple tree, Britain best
circulating for WWI, and Poland for most inspirational for Jan Karski’s key that hid evidence of the Holocaust snuck out of Poland in WWII.



2016 quarter designs have been approved.

President Johnson’s Coin and Chronicle set sold out within 4 hours with the reverse proof dollar, silver medal, and 4 stamps. The $100 dollar deep relief gold coin is also sold out. That
took over 4 days at $1490. Someone was kind enough to bring one in and pass it around at the September meeting..

Evidently there are
lots of double dies and rare deep cameo proofs in 1971-1978 Ike dollars if you look through the proof sets. Check you Cherrypicker’s Guide. So says Numismatic News.
he Monument Men of WWII get a medal now, available in gold, 3" bronze for $40 and 1½” bronze for $7. Don’t tell Donald Trump that on Oct. 29 the Mint  suspended its 104-year-old
coin exchange program
. The Mint had redeemed more mutilated half dollars from Chinese sources than have ever been minted in the history of the United States. I guess that would be a tip-off
that something is wrong.
April2011-1st Spouses in Bronze
Ancient Coins in US History,
In God We Trust
March2011-Cartwheel Goes Digital
2010 Reno Cartwheels
Feb2011- Cupid & Psyche
Jan2011-2 Roman Quinarii
Back Issues
May 2011: Copper Bullion?
July2011-Coins of Cyprus
August 2011-Coins of
Alexander the Great
Sept2011-Late Roman Bronzes
Oct2011-National Park Quarters
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Jan2012-Al Shay In memoriam
Feb2012-Republican Coins
March2012-Olympic coins
April2012-Tour of Medallic Arts
May 2012 ANA 2012:
Cowries to
Credit Card, from
Bullion to Fiat Money
June2012-WWII coins
Sept2012-California Gold
Oct2012-US Mint medals
Nov2012-US Inaugural Medals
Dec2012-Electrum Coins
Gold coins
Feb2013-Silk Road Coins
March2013-Great Patriotic
of Wars Russia in Coins
May2013-Elymais Coins
July2013-Origin of Dollar
Aug 2013 Constantine
Adventus Aug
Sept2013-NV & CO Coin Trip
Oct2013-Cleopatra coins
Nov2013-Monstrous coins
Fred Holabird reminds everyone that the club’s large library is housed by
him at 3555 Airway Drive #308 (around back as Holabird Americana).
Call 852-8822
Dec2013-Crusader coins
Jan 2014-Euros
Feb2014-Lincoln Penny
March2014-Leto coin
April2014-So-called Dollars
SF set of all five 2013, 2014 quarters in case $5
National Park Quarters  PDS .50        
Presidential, Native American  D P $1.25
May 2014-Kennedy Halves
June 2014-WWII Coins
July 2014-Ancient Cast coinage
August 2014-E. European coins
Sept 2014-Roman enemies on coins
Oct 2014-Old Coin Press#1
Nov2014-LaVere Redfield
Dec2014-Vietnamese Coins
Jan2015:The Four Wisemen
Feb 2015 Pompei Magnus
March3015 Richard II
& English coins
April2015-Reagan Dollar
205 Nugget Ave. Sparks, NV
by Holiday Inn, across Hwy 80 from
Western Village
May2015-Shapur I & Sparadokos
July 2015-Roman Coins in India
Aug 2015-Persis, Elymais, Parthia
Sept2015-US 20 cent
Oct2015-German Coins